Comments on: Design? Yes. Evolution? Yes. Contradiction? No. Then Why the Controversy? http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/ From music and science to WorldShift 2012, a visionary diary of our times Thu, 19 Jan 2012 19:44:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jennifer Shadwick http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/#comment-2837 Jennifer Shadwick Tue, 03 Jan 2012 22:30:32 +0000 http://ervinlaszlo.com/?p=383#comment-2837 Ahh Yes. The age old question since the dawn of western society. Which really isn't is a confusion and it's perfectly clear at the same time; isn't it. Random Design It is both and it is neither all at the same time if you just take a look at it. It has also been proven that random generation produces design which is the patterns or designs which come out of the random generation. Take slot machines for isntance. They are based on a program that spits out random numbers. And if you can recognize the patterns that come out of it (which organization comes from chaos and chaos can be the result of excesive organization which is called specialization), you can predict when your wining streaks are coming up. So the question isn't really a hard one. And this is exactly how they created internet! On a random generation program of the basic language of the universe ones and zeros. Form and no form. That is all. Ahh Yes. The age old question since the dawn of western society. Which really isn’t is a confusion and it’s perfectly clear at the same time; isn’t it.
Random Design
It is both and it is neither all at the same time if you just take a look at it.
It has also been proven that random generation produces design which is the patterns or designs which come out of the random generation.
Take slot machines for isntance. They are based on a program that spits out random numbers. And if you can recognize the patterns that come out of it (which organization comes from chaos and chaos can be the result of excesive organization which is called specialization), you can predict when your wining streaks are coming up.
So the question isn’t really a hard one. And this is exactly how they created internet! On a random generation program of the basic language of the universe ones and zeros. Form and no form. That is all.

]]> By: Susan http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/#comment-2541 Susan Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:42:41 +0000 http://ervinlaszlo.com/?p=383#comment-2541 Well, I was trying my best to buy into the story of this article until I read Grant's rebuttal. Grant's rebuttal makes sense to me. I didn't find it offensive in any way. In fact, I found it gentle. The fact that we want to believe something doesn't make it true. The mark of intelligence is the willingness to change one's mind when presented overwhelming evidence to the contrary of our belief. I have read too much and studied too much. Evolution makes the most sense, and there are many reasons why the tornado blowing through and making an airplane story doesn't make sense - and there are explanations as to why that is an unfair analogy if anyone cares to take the time to google it. Peace & love Well, I was trying my best to buy into the story of this article until I read Grant’s rebuttal. Grant’s rebuttal makes sense to me. I didn’t find it offensive in any way. In fact, I found it gentle. The fact that we want to believe something doesn’t make it true. The mark of intelligence is the willingness to change one’s mind when presented overwhelming evidence to the contrary of our belief. I have read too much and studied too much. Evolution makes the most sense, and there are many reasons why the tornado blowing through and making an airplane story doesn’t make sense – and there are explanations as to why that is an unfair analogy if anyone cares to take the time to google it. Peace & love

]]> By: Daniel http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/#comment-2322 Daniel Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:42:35 +0000 http://ervinlaszlo.com/?p=383#comment-2322 Oh I love Reason and skepticism, I love to be scientifically inclined, I love the sensation of aloofness and detachment from needs and painful... what is it called? oh! emotions, yes. I feel more in control, more in power... makes me feel am in truth i.e security, orderliness. Makes me feel great to BELONG to a social group that is special, powerful, in vogue, intelligent, strong, un-needy. I love to think of the Universe as a senseless, blind, purposeless, mechanistic, meaningless, random, impersonal and specially indifferent. Its like a secret vengeance towards life, it's my way to be spiteful, and arrogant so that I may protect myself from my secret feelings of pain, sadness, meaninglessness and fear of death. I am so scared and angry about the futility of my own life, of this unbearable lightness of being, this unbearable superfluousness that I, cunningly, use this very meaninglessness as my weapon. To scrub it in the face of life. It's also my way to feel that I am not the victim of an indifferent and entropic universe, but I am the hunter, I am the enforcer of the very world view that is killing me. So I have a sensation of power. Am gonna be as ruthless as existence it self. Oh I love Reason and skepticism, I love to be scientifically inclined, I love the sensation of aloofness and detachment from needs and painful… what is it called? oh! emotions, yes. I feel more in control, more in power… makes me feel am in truth i.e security, orderliness. Makes me feel great to BELONG to a social group that is special, powerful, in vogue, intelligent, strong, un-needy.
I love to think of the Universe as a senseless, blind, purposeless, mechanistic, meaningless, random, impersonal and specially indifferent. Its like a secret vengeance towards life, it’s my way to be spiteful, and arrogant so that I may protect myself from my secret feelings of pain, sadness, meaninglessness and fear of death. I am so scared and angry about the futility of my own life, of this unbearable lightness of being, this unbearable superfluousness that I, cunningly, use this very meaninglessness as my weapon. To scrub it in the face of life.
It’s also my way to feel that I am not the victim of an indifferent and entropic universe, but I am the hunter, I am the enforcer of the very world view that is killing me. So I have a sensation of power. Am gonna be as ruthless as existence it self.

]]> By: B http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/#comment-1801 B Mon, 31 Jan 2011 02:04:56 +0000 http://ervinlaszlo.com/?p=383#comment-1801 Hi Grant, I have enjoyed reading your posts. I have found nothing in what you have said that I could disagree with. Your argument is based on pure logic and such argument is hard to be knocked down and I think that is why Stan was using other means of challenging you (e.g., ‘respect for others’; ‘we are all one’ , “If I had a theory do you think I’d be telling you?”). Once (about a year ago), I spent few hours of reading and thinking about creationism vs. evolution and I have arrived to a conclusion, which I have written down in my diary. I have written: “Either the universe has been created or it has always existed. Is the concept of God the personification of infinite reality and order? Matter does not disappear! So matter/energy has always been and has not been created. Something has always been and will always be! It is great, it is ordered, and I’m part of it. So I believe in a force that drives life.” What do you think of my reasoning? Is it logically valid? I’m still not sure about where I stand. I could not logically reason the concept of creationism (so I’m like you in that respect) but I do believe in a ‘force that drives life’. Does it make me a spiritual atheist? Or a ‘fruitcake’? Hi Grant,

I have enjoyed reading your posts. I have found nothing in what you have said that I could disagree with. Your argument is based on pure logic and such argument is hard to be knocked down and I think that is why Stan was using other means of challenging you (e.g., ‘respect for others’; ‘we are all one’ , “If I had a theory do you think I’d be telling you?”).

Once (about a year ago), I spent few hours of reading and thinking about creationism vs. evolution and I have arrived to a conclusion, which I have written down in my diary. I have written:

“Either the universe has been created or it has always existed. Is the concept of God the personification of infinite reality and order? Matter does not disappear! So matter/energy has always been and has not been created. Something has always been and will always be! It is great, it is ordered, and I’m part of it. So I believe in a force that drives life.”

What do you think of my reasoning? Is it logically valid? I’m still not sure about where I stand. I could not logically reason the concept of creationism (so I’m like you in that respect) but I do believe in a ‘force that drives life’. Does it make me a spiritual atheist? Or a ‘fruitcake’?

]]> By: Chelsea http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/#comment-1787 Chelsea Sat, 15 Jan 2011 04:02:13 +0000 http://ervinlaszlo.com/?p=383#comment-1787 When we wake up to our true nature, we realize that it is us, the universe in fleshly disguise, creating and evolving. Creating matter from energy through thought. Example, if we desire to move in the direction of time travel, the mechanism for such will be created - not simply discovered. This is the way Spirit and "science" dance. We are evolving, spiritually and physically, by and into our own intentions, creating what is not yet in existence. We are, if you will, the great Creator, who "always was, and is, and is to come". When we wake up to our true nature, we realize that it is us, the universe in fleshly disguise, creating and evolving. Creating matter from energy through thought. Example, if we desire to move in the direction of time travel, the mechanism for such will be created – not simply discovered. This is the way Spirit and “science” dance. We are evolving, spiritually and physically, by and into our own intentions, creating what is not yet in existence. We are, if you will, the great Creator, who “always was, and is, and is to come”.

]]> By: Grant http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/#comment-1750 Grant Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:15:13 +0000 http://ervinlaszlo.com/?p=383#comment-1750 @WebMoxy: Well formed, articulated... and *factually incorrect*. You did catch that part didn't you? His application of probability arguments is simply wrong. @WebMoxy: Well formed, articulated… and *factually incorrect*. You did catch that part didn’t you? His application of probability arguments is simply wrong.

]]> By: WebMoxy http://ervinlaszlo.com/notebook/2010/04/14/design-yes-evolution-yes-contradiction-no-then-why-the-controversy/#comment-1732 WebMoxy Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:27:33 +0000 http://ervinlaszlo.com/?p=383#comment-1732 Ervin, I love your work! I originally came across your work through a Psychology course that assigned "Science and The Akashic Field" for a paper. I think the way you have presented these ideas is much better formed and articulated than any explanation I have come across. Thank you. Ervin, I love your work! I originally came across your work through a Psychology course that assigned “Science and The Akashic Field” for a paper. I think the way you have presented these ideas is much better formed and articulated than any explanation I have come across. Thank you.

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